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there's this story you may have already

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heard about the united airlines

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employees who swear it was something

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other worldly in the skies above

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chicago's o'hare airport on november 7.

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several airport workers

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some of whom have talked to the chicago

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tribune who say they saw a saucer shaped

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ufo

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over a terminal without lights before

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shooting straight up

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies and today we have a return

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guest who is joining me to talk about a

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very

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exciting development that he has

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discovered along with some other people

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about a famous ufo event where we didn't

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think we were ever going to get

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any sort of evidence on this thing it

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was so

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behold

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he did it they did it we're gonna learn

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all about it but before we do that

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we're gonna catch up on his other

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endeavor which is the basement office so

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you know what that means

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with me today is stephen green street

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steven thanks for joining me again

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brother

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awesome glad to be here yeah yeah i know

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times are weird a lot's going on um

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in the world right now but hey if we can

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sit and chat about ufos for an hour

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and just distract us from everything

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going on in the world i think uh

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we're doing ourselves and a lot of

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people a service so um i gotta thank you

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again man for coming on

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yeah of course hell yeah so let's um

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let's catch up i mean a lot has happened

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since we last spoke i think the last

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was right before season two dropped of

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the basement office so let's start with

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that my man how did it go

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what did you talk about and uh what was

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sort of your favorite

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thing that you covered in season two

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over at the new york post

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yeah so you know it was a given that we

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were gonna do season two

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um you know season one it just blew us

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all away at how

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much people loved it i mean me

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particularly i mean

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the pitch for the show honestly was two

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dudes sitting at a desk talking about

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ufos so i was like

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uh maybe people are gonna think this is

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boring but uh it was great so you know

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and then we had a pickup shoot in in

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march

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literally a week and a half before the

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kovid shut down

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and so we were super stoked about season

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two and then covet hit and like

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basement just took like a back seat and

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it was a long time coming but you know

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get more kind of like into the weeds and

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intellectually or

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the one that made me think most was our

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episode on usos unidentified submerged

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water and how it ties in with

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big role with ufos and so that was like

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uh to do that episode yeah and i think

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the stuff we're hearing currently you

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lot of this has to do with water and we

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venture a guess as to why i mean there

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the mainstream or even a lot of

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compelling i think a lot of the evidence

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is leading that way so i i i love that

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blowing my mind the more nick talked

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a lot of that goes next um but i guess

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catching up on other recent news before

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the meat of the conversation the o'hare

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incident of 2006.

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uh you just released an article over at

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uh we just released one over at the

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debrief tim mcmillan and myself

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act the intelligence very operating

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with the uh you know the uap task force

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long convoluted story we won't go into

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it now but

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yeah it happened it's passed so

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what do you think man do you think

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anything's gonna come of this

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um they have 180 days to provide

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findings to the public

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if they so choose what do you make of

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this entire thing well first and

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why this even exists to begin with

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we're taking care of it we're on top of

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it we're going to do something

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political level how politics works i

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the cat's meow on this one we're not

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shebang um but it's something it's a

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the the pressure that the public has put

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task force is amazing i mean a lot of us

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we're not even in control of our own

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look lo and behold look look what

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message that we're not gonna just sit

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and wait these 180 days we're gonna keep

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moving forward we're gonna keep asking

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we got this you know yeah they're not

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investigation exactly i'm totally with

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government said uh

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is is is it scarier that the government

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everything but isn't telling us or is it

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the our country knows about it

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but has no idea like in my opinion

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the people above us and who are supposed

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to protect us if they have no idea

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scarier yep i'm going with the latter as

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being scarier absolutely my man well

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let's talk about the case that really

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drew our attention back in 2006 and that

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chicago o'hare 2006. airport incident

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uh now you know we we talked about this

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even a report was given to uh to the

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the first report to come out about this

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event so we do have a lot of people in

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the past to thank for that

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but there's new stuff coming out and you

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to be what did you find who did you work

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how you got what you got man sure so you

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know

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the prologue to this story is when

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uh they asked me to pitch and produce

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the basement office season one

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the first thing i did was read leslie

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keane's book ufos from 2010

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and in there is you know the chicago

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case is featured

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and discussed in the details of the case

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my jaw dropped because

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i'd i'd never heard of this case it was

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fairly recently

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and it involved a saucer i mean when you

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think of a flying saucer you usually

301
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think of the 40s or 50s you know like

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you don't really hear about

303
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big you know crazy flying saucer cases

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nowadays

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and is it so that was the prologue now

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i did an episode on saucers and featured

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the chicago case

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and in producing that episode i went

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crazy looking for the audio because

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we know the audio had been released via

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foia we know there was a transcript of

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of the audio in the narcap report

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and i was like well surely this uh and i

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think the history channel had played a

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snippet

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of uh of the audio and i was like well

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surely this is it everywhere

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by this point it's on youtube it's

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somewhere and we

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searched me and my uh production

321
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assistant we searched forever

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for this audio and just like couldn't

323
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find it and we're like are we gonna have

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to foia this

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ourselves so anyway we made the episode

326
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in season one without the audio we

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referenced you know the narcap report

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but no audio

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but it was like my white whale i was

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like there's no way

331
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this doesn't exist because it was

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released so anyway

333
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flash forward to just you know a few

334
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months ago i was talking with

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uh jake at it's redacted the the ufo

336
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channel

337
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uh it's redacted which i love i like

338
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love their stuff

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their videos and we were like yo let's

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you know

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everyone's resources are limited because

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of the pandemic but maybe if we team up

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we can like make something

344
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we decided to do chicago and we we made

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it our goal

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and life mission to like find this audio

347
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and so we

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called everyone like we went through the

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narcap report and we were like

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contacting everyone within that narcap

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report ted rowe

352
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at at narcap um you know who is

353
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uh i think in hawaii now uh you know had

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multiple phone calls with him and the

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problem was

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is uh narcaps original archives or older

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archives have

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have been kind of like moved and spread

359
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out to different locations throughout

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the country

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and so people were like oh right we had

362
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that but i don't know where that ended

363
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up etc etc etc so anyway

364
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um we ended up finding it on on william

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puckett's

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uh website like totally almost unlisted

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like it doesn't show up in in search

368
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results it was just like

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hosted on his website i think it's ufos

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nw.com and then backslash whatever like

371
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you have to dig into it

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and it's there like and william puckett

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i don't know if you know but he was part

374
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of the original narcap report his name

375
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is on the foia documents who foied the

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faa for the audio

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um and luckily he had digital copies of

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it

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and we were like yeah we got to like

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take this and we gotta release it

381
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raw like just release everything we got

382
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so that in the future

383
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people looking for this stuff can google

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and boom there it is and so

385
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that's how we got it yeah and i mean

386
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i don't know how many views it's up to

387
00:14:04,629 --> 00:14:02,959
now over

388
00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:04,639
at the new york post youtube and

389
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everything but

390
00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:08,639
it was awesome man to hear it in its

391
00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:09,839
entirety you know

392
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:12,000
like you mentioned i think certain ufo

393
00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:12,959
researchers had

394
00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:15,680
heard certain bites every now and again

395
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:17,839
uh you mentioned ufo hunters on history

396
00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:18,560
channel

397
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:21,360
had some of it but um when you hear all

398
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of the people

399
00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:24,399
talking about this and we'll get to the

400
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dispute between

401
00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:29,120
apparently there wasn't any of this in

402
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lo and behold here we go

403
00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:33,120
um yeah it was awesome so i think what

404
00:14:35,910 --> 00:14:34,320
i'm gonna do right now is

405
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:35,920
i'm actually gonna play a little bit of

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the audio so it'll give the

407
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:39,839
the audience some context of what we're

408
00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:41,600
gonna discuss after that about what's in

409
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:42,880
the audio tape so

410
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:44,320
yeah i'm going to go ahead and play that

411
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:45,920
now if you don't mind

412
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this is dave hey dave it's your favorite

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00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:55,199
tower hey did you see a flying disc out

414
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by c-17

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is

416
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okay i'm sorry what uh what can i do for

417
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:31,120
you oh yeah all right there was i told

418
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:32,240
dave there was a disc

419
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flying outside above charlie 17 and he

420
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thought it was

421
00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:38,560
pretty much high but um i'm not high and

422
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:39,680
i'm not drinking

423
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:41,120
someone actually has a picture of it so

424
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if you guys see it out there a

425
00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:45,519
disc like a frisbee like a ufo type

426
00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:47,120
thing

427
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:50,320
yeah okay okay yeah you have a picture

428
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how high above charlie 17. well above

429
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,079
our tower

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so if you happen to see anything you

431
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:58,320
know what i'll keep a peeled eye for

432
00:16:05,509 --> 00:15:58,800
that all right

433
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:07,110
go ahead yeah look out your window let's

434
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:08,560
see if you see anything above united's

435
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:09,839
concourse they actually believe it or

436
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:11,440
not they called us and said there's a

437
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,360
somebody observed a flying disc about a

438
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:15,519
thousand feet above the uh

439
00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:22,230
not that i can tell okay yeah i thought

440
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my job was stressful

441
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:25,519
[Music]

442
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oh we thought a half hour ago who saw it

443
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:31,440
whole bunch of us over at the uh charlie

444
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:32,720
concourse

445
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:47,990
yeah so as you can hear there were

446
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:49,040
definitely some

447
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:51,839
gems in there that we did not know about

448
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:52,560
and that was

449
00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:55,279
were said by certain people so um i

450
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:56,320
gotta ask you

451
00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:58,320
after putting this out there man um

452
00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:59,360
after digging

453
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,000
and finding it what do you make of it

454
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:03,839
what do you glean most from these audio

455
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,280
tapes in terms of uh

456
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,760
what we've been told in the public about

457
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:09,520
this event and what we're hearing in the

458
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:11,439
audio tapes anything really stick out to

459
00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:12,319
you

460
00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:15,000
sure yeah two things one it's it's

461
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,079
extremely interesting to hear

462
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:20,720
this occur in real time or what was then

463
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:21,919
real time

464
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:25,520
how do government and airline workers

465
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,640
react

466
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:28,480
to something in real time how is that

467
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:29,760
reported

468
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,039
you know this was five years after 9 11.

469
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,080
this was five years and so and here

470
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:38,720
you've got you know pilot supervisors

471
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:40,720
airline mechanics reporting

472
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:44,400
something unknown over a united airlines

473
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:44,960
gate

474
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:48,160
like in the air space like how

475
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:50,320
would the government react to that you

476
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:53,039
know just a few years after 9 11 so it's

477
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:56,240
it's interesting to hear that play out

478
00:18:02,390 --> 00:17:59,679
and and to hear um

479
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,400
everyone jokes about it i mean sue from

480
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:04,080
united god bless her you know she's

481
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:05,679
trying her best

482
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,720
to like tell the faa no seriously like

483
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,240
this is happening

484
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,039
and everyone is essentially saying you

485
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,120
must be drunk you must be high

486
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,520
and she's like no no no like pilots or

487
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:19,280
no like this person no

488
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,960
actually this actually happened someone

489
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,320
has a picture of it

490
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:24,080
she mentions twice someone has a picture

491
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:25,919
of it um

492
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:28,799
and then later towards the end of the

493
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audio

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00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:32,320
where you hear um you know the

495
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supervisors

496
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,640
talking and they're just kind of like

497
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blah blah blah blah blah like okay

498
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,600
whatever hahaha

499
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,600
and then you hear a mechanic go like no

500
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:41,039
i i saw it

501
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,480
and they're like wait what he's like

502
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,200
yeah i saw it i'm a united taxi mechanic

503
00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:49,280
it was it was there and so it's

504
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,120
interesting to hear it play out

505
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,600
now you're asking about the discrepancy

506
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,600
about what the audio says versus what

507
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:57,200
the official story was right

508
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,480
right yep yeah this is this is where it

509
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:03,200
gets crazy to me because

510
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,000
uh the faa originally back in 2006

511
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:10,320
before all the press and everything said

512
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:11,200
oh

513
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,880
we didn't even investigate that that was

514
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:14,480
nothing

515
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,640
and then when john hilkovich at the

516
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,640
tribune chicago tribune and

517
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,799
and and narcap they started firing

518
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:22,960
filing foia requests

519
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:25,760
they were like uh um no actually uh

520
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,760
we're backtracking that and like we did

521
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,840
investigate it but it was just probably

522
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:32,160
a weather phenomenon some weird cloud or

523
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:33,200
something

524
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,880
and and that's it so that's that's

525
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:37,200
probably all it was the end

526
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,360
and in the in the audio i mean

527
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:44,480
you've got trained people people who

528
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,039
work at airport at the airport fly

529
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:49,360
airplanes for a living

530
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,280
interact with clouds day in and day out

531
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:55,120
these people that's what they're paid to

532
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:56,480
do saying

533
00:20:04,310 --> 00:19:59,679
a disc a metallic

534
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:04,320
disc is hovering over our airport

535
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,960
and okay you these people are not seeing

536
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:09,760
a cloud

537
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,320
at least they're not according to these

538
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:14,320
trained individuals they're not looking

539
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,440
at at a cloud and so that conflict

540
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:20,320
and then to say that there is a um a

541
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,600
photo

542
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,039
a lot of people are latching onto that i

543
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:25,360
mean suet united says they have a photo

544
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:29,039
twice and you know i asked the faa i

545
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:30,159
said

546
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,000
hey like in this audio talking to you

547
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:37,440
in the faa tower it's reported to you

548
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,480
that a photo

549
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,880
photographic evidence of this exists did

550
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,799
you look at the photo did you request

551
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:44,960
the photo did you analyze the photo

552
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,000
did you do anything about the photo

553
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:50,559
they wouldn't answer the question yeah

554
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,120
yeah

555
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,799
it was stonewalled and i mean every

556
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,880
employee at uh

557
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:57,280
at united airlines in the entire airport

558
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,240
i should say

559
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:01,280
uh we're told not to talk about this so

560
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,960
you know we got a lot of anonymous

561
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,000
sources

562
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,600
and this and that and everyone at the

563
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,159
airport was staying quiet for so long

564
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,799
uh but you know lo and behold uh ufo

565
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,480
researcher sam moronto

566
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,799
uh was able to get in touch with a

567
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,880
witness outside of the airport

568
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,280
that was not employed there who saw this

569
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:21,280
thing and i actually have audio

570
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,559
right now of this witness uh and how

571
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:26,240
their story compares to those that saw

572
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,200
it at the airport

573
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,880
so i'm gonna play that right now for the

574
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,039
audience i have seen

575
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,679
anomalous things in the sky and i don't

576
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,280
say anomalous lightly

577
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:37,760
i can identify so many different

578
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,400
phenomena

579
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,400
you know it's interesting i even have

580
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,960
experience with lenticular clouds

581
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,919
i used to do high health climbing and i

582
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,679
have seen a zillion of them can't tell

583
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,919
you how many lenticular clouds i've seen

584
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,200
hovering over o'hare

585
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:53,440
and just punching a hole in the cloud

586
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:54,240
cover

587
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,510
it was very obviously not cloud it was

588
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:06,720
very obviously

589
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,320
a solid object uh it didn't change

590
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:13,919
shape in any way uh it obviously wasn't

591
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,960
a balloon that was subject to the wind

592
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,600
it didn't move with the wind very

593
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,440
obviously i mean this was a daytime

594
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,960
thing this wasn't some

595
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:25,280
you know case of lights that look a

596
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,240
little unusual

597
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:28,960
at night or anything like that this was

598
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,000
just a very blatant daytime sighting and

599
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:34,000
no it wasn't so dark that we couldn't

600
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:35,600
tell what we were seeing not

601
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,880
not at all not by any stretch

602
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,200
so yeah man i mean even uh people

603
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:43,120
outside of the airport were seeing this

604
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,440
thing

605
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,360
and that were willing to talk about it

606
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,039
which is really interesting

607
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,440
as well uh you did mention the weather

608
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,960
phenomenon now this was kind of the

609
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,360
official statement by the faa

610
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,960
i mean they even got in touch with an

611
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,640
astronomer uh dr

612
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:59,120
hammondgren i have here from um the

613
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,919
adler

614
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,520
planetarium and i'm just going to read

615
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:03,280
here for a second what they said this

616
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,919
was

617
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,600
weather conditions at o'hare that day

618
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,600
were right for a hole punch cloud like

619
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,640
you mentioned

620
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,159
something that occurs when a propeller

621
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:12,000
or jet airplane passes through

622
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,520
when you have uniform cloud cover and

623
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,799
the temperature is right near the

624
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,679
freezing point

625
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,919
they make liquid water droplets freeze

626
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,559
and a hazy disk of ice crystals descends

627
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,480
from a hole and it looks like a perfect

628
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,799
hole punched in the cloud

629
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:27,200
that's all fine and great but like you

630
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,000
mentioned

631
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,799
uh one of the united taxi maintenance

632
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,320
crew members

633
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,600
actually saw a structure craft and boom

634
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,039
that puts that the rest right there i

635
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,200
mean again yeah it's just a testimony

636
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,679
but so many other people said they saw

637
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,120
the structured craft

638
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,159
so i mean we were being lied to

639
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,240
from the very start with this thing well

640
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,559
you know i will uh

641
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,760
let me say this like first off okay a

642
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,039
hole punch cloud

643
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,960
okay that's that's that's an explanation

644
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,120
that is an explanation

645
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,400
now is it what they saw at chicago

646
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,440
you know it it could be

647
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,640
but first and foremost

648
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:11,200
um you know the quote you just read you

649
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:11,760
know

650
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,240
water molecules freeze uh suddenly

651
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:20,240
and you know the temperature that day at

652
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:21,600
the airport was

653
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:24,880
in the 50s uh the freezing

654
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:27,840
level uh what see the freezing ceiling

655
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,480
was around

656
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,400
ten thousand feet nine thousand feet ten

657
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,080
thousand feet which where the freezing

658
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,159
temperatures were

659
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,720
and the cloud coverage that day was one

660
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:38,000
to two thousand feet

661
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,880
um now beyond that the fact that was

662
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,480
at that level nowhere near freezing

663
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,039
temperatures

664
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,919
you've got multiple witnesses and i mean

665
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:52,159
at least a dozen witnesses that say they

666
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,279
saw

667
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,640
step one a craft below the

668
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,360
clouds so they saw a craft below the

669
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,400
clouds

670
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:03,039
and then some of those witnesses step

671
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,840
two

672
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,480
saw the craft punch through the the

673
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:07,360
clouds

674
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,039
creating a hole now so you've got

675
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,279
it's not just a hole that everyone's

676
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,400
looking at people

677
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,559
actually not just one or two or three

678
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:17,840
but multiple people

679
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,720
saw the thing go up through the clouds

680
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:22,000
punching a hole

681
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,960
now how the faa handled the

682
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:29,600
their statement about it being weather

683
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:30,400
it's just so

684
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:34,799
weird like just lead with that

685
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,520
don't you don't say don't initially say

686
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,520
uh nothing happened here

687
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,200
and then when your press and foia

688
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,120
requests are coming in and going like oh

689
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,080
oh uh it's uh it's weather it's probably

690
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,919
just lights or a whole punch cloud or

691
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,720
something like that

692
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:51,200
and then when people like myself and

693
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,640
others bring up the audio

694
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,360
and the fact that a photo was taken just

695
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:57,679
don't respond at all like the way it

696
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,279
was handles just really weird can i just

697
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,400
add that

698
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,360
we are all you i we're all u.s citizens

699
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,679
you know not right now obviously but

700
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,880
we fly planes we go to airports we get

701
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,640
on planes and we want to feel safe we

702
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,200
want to

703
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,440
feel like if there's something

704
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:16,799
unidentified

705
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,799
and unauthorized above my plane

706
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,640
that people like the faa are going to

707
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:25,039
take care of it and take it seriously

708
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,559
you know we're not talking i'm not

709
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,320
saying alien you know

710
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,480
i'm not saying x y inner dimension i'm

711
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,400
saying something was there

712
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,520
i want them to take it seriously

713
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,000
absolutely man i mean the stigma and

714
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,159
ridicule of reporting these things

715
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,520
uh i think is more dangerous than the

716
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:46,080
you know the the craft or whatever it is

717
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,279
could be itself

718
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,440
i mean if they don't report it because

719
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,640
they're afraid of

720
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,400
what's going to be said they're going to

721
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,279
lose their job or this or that

722
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:58,000
then it doesn't get reported and

723
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,640
something

724
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,360
could seriously go wrong i mean even in

725
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,120
the original report i saw

726
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,400
with peter davenport uh he he adds this

727
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,919
little thing here and you know it could

728
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:09,600
be connected or not but he said

729
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,120
um the plane that was taxied in

730
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,159
to gates c-17 where this happened

731
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,320
the next plane after the whole incident

732
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,000
occurred and they kind of

733
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,120
said yup no we're fine no issues um

734
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,960
the plane that came in had severe

735
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:26,399
electrical failures

736
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,760
when it parked into the gate c17

737
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,760
where supposedly this craft had been

738
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,520
seen so again

739
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,600
that could have been for any reason um i

740
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,640
find it an

741
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:39,360
interesting coincidence so yeah who

742
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,640
knows who knows i thought that was a

743
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,559
cool little addendum

744
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:45,039
is it okay if i read uh some quotes from

745
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,640
some witnesses just quick questions

746
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,640
regarding

747
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:51,279
so what's great about the narcap report

748
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,679
which

749
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,840
you know you should send a link to it's

750
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,679
152 pages and i mean

751
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,799
it's in depth they've got

752
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,120
radar data they've got like eight pages

753
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,960
on just the weather that day

754
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,480
they've got everything but they were

755
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,640
able to interview

756
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,840
some of the witnesses before all the

757
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,760
press and before the faa

758
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,840
and they were able to interview people

759
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:14,880
in this kind of like

760
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,080
virgin pure moment in time

761
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,760
uh before the you know that everything

762
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,840
clamped down now there are

763
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,080
you know like i said at least a dozen

764
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,000
solid witnesses

765
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:28,159
but let's talk about a hole punch cloud

766
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:29,120
for example

767
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:32,799
and versus what pilots and supervisors

768
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,559
on the ground there were talking about

769
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,600
right here uh witness b

770
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:42,320
and c who were mechanics seated in a

771
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,279
cockpit

772
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,640
heard on the radio a about a circle or

773
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,440
disc shaped object hovering over the

774
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,720
gate

775
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:53,440
it was described as elliptical sphere

776
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,159
like

777
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,360
dark metal object very specific

778
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,080
dark metal object now bring up a hole

779
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,679
punch cloud picture and tell me

780
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,440
if you would look at that and describe

781
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:04,880
it as dark

782
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:08,320
metal another witness here describes it

783
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:08,720
as

784
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,320
aluminum a dirty aluminum color

785
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,159
again a hole punch cloud does not look

786
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:16,559
like dirty aluminum

787
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,640
uh there is laughter uh as they're

788
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,480
they're calling on the radio talking to

789
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,240
people all over looking up and

790
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:26,640
describing this

791
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,190
again here we go elliptical metal

792
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,320
i i just you've got people on the ground

793
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,159
people who are trained people who are

794
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:41,679
professionals

795
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,799
going on the record and saying what they

796
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,159
were looking at look like

797
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,360
a round piece of smooth

798
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,640
hovering metal and so

799
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,120
you can't just dismiss that you can't

800
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,840
just you can't dismiss that at all

801
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,720
and it just makes you wonder like what

802
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:01,600
what

803
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:07,440
one guy said it was uh spinning it was

804
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,640
like um

805
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:11,520
rotating yeah yeah i remember reading

806
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:11,919
that

807
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,240
it's crazy so i mean we're not dealing

808
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,679
with a whole punch cloud

809
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,960
um that's just not the case um i mighty

810
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,320
crow if that were

811
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,320
were what we come to find out it was but

812
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:23,760
uh who knows if we're ever gonna know

813
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,399
the truth

814
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,440
um you did mention john hilkovich and

815
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,120
we do have to give this guy credit he

816
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,279
was the first kind of on the ground

817
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:34,480
to um to write about this in the chicago

818
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,919
tribune and uh and that now

819
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:40,960
not famous but um well-known

820
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,520
broadcast interview he did with uh cltv

821
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:44,880
with jim wagner

822
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,919
a news reporter um it was leaked about

823
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:49,679
their conversation that happened

824
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,279
prior to the official interview they did

825
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,600
and there were some telling stuff kind

826
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:57,519
of in that of you know how he was being

827
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,240
stonewalled

828
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,720
from the very start with this thing um

829
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,159
and i actually want to play a little bit

830
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,519
of that now to give the

831
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,360
audience a taste of that so here's a

832
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,880
little bit of that interview that john

833
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:07,760
hilkovich

834
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:11,279
gave uh and the conversation that

835
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:11,760
happened

836
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:19,110
hey john hey jim how are you well fine

837
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,399
thanks how are you i'm

838
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:23,440
busy with this yo my god did you see it

839
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,240
hit the fox

840
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,480
crawl on monday night did it it's just

841
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,240
been everywhere i mean i've been on

842
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,440
cnn i did my fourth appearance today

843
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,640
really every msnbc every network oh my

844
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,360
goodness

845
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:38,480
and just worldwide i mean yeah australia

846
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,840
everywhere that's what we're going to

847
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,919
start off i'm going to say

848
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:45,760
john the response has been well out of

849
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,870
congratulations that's so where's the

850
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:52,559
latest on the investigation in the faa

851
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,440
then

852
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:56,080
well uh by this time tomorrow i'm going

853
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,279
to approve it yeah

854
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,960
united is now acknowledging that they

855
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:00,960
were approached by employees

856
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,000
so they've done that flip-flop and i'm

857
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:06,480
trying to locate photos of this i'm told

858
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:07,519
there may be photos

859
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,070
um i'm told that the uh

860
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,279
the story on on ct right

861
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,080
has almost a million hits yeah it's the

862
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,519
most read story in the history of ct.com

863
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:32,320
i got an email yesterday from billa d

864
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,880
wow

865
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,799
i mean it's like yeah in the entire

866
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:36,799
history of the website

867
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,840
oh incredible

868
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,760
incredible so is the possible does it

869
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,960
possibly exist you might get the

870
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,840
pictures and

871
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:46,240
get them in for tomorrow oh no i don't

872
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,200
think no no no

873
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,840
no i mean i i'm told the pilots on that

874
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,360
plane that was being pushed back

875
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,120
uh you know i said in the story that

876
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,480
they opened the windscreen and stuck

877
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,760
their head out

878
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:57,360
now i'm being told that one of them had

879
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,720
a digital camera and snapped some

880
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,519
pictures

881
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,760
wow so united is not playing ball with

882
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:06,470
fa i've expanded my foia to include the

883
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,360
flight plan

884
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,480
which might include the pilots names and

885
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:11,760
i'm trying to work with the union as

886
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,320
well

887
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,600
are they still going by weather

888
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,919
phenomenon uh

889
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,760
faa you know pretty much because of the

890
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,120
federal holiday i

891
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,640
i haven't talked to them that much but

892
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,960
yeah they haven't changed their story

893
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:25,679
and it's i've just heard from other

894
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:26,080
people

895
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,279
you know since then that you know that

896
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:29,200
that's that explanation just doesn't

897
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,080
wash

898
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,840
and they haven't gone out of their way

899
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,799
to to say anything otherwise so far

900
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,320
no i mean they say you know it was it

901
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:38,159
was november 7th they're they're moving

902
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:38,720
on

903
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,549
well i tell you what the all the people

904
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,159
who saw it must be

905
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,760
feeling a little validated right about

906
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:49,440
now huh oh yeah and i'm getting tons of

907
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,799
emails from other people who

908
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,960
outside the airport as well as ed o'hare

909
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,200
who also either sighted that

910
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,360
same object or saw the hole in the sky

911
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,960
and said what is that

912
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,440
wow okay so what did it look like again

913
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:02,720
to the folks who saw it

914
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,559
it was a saucer-like yeah

915
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:09,599
yeah right over directly over gate c17

916
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,639
that was stationary in the sky uh dark

917
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:13,919
gray metallic

918
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,720
uh you know like i say saucer shaped no

919
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,760
lights

920
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,599
and it was there for some minutes and

921
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,200
then when it

922
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,200
disappeared it just streaked through the

923
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,040
clouds with such energy

924
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:28,079
that it broke a big a blue hole in the

925
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,359
overcast

926
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,960
and the hole remained there for several

927
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,800
minutes until the wind

928
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:34,399
drifted and pushed the clouds back

929
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,599
together so the blue was the sky

930
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,200
yeah the blue was the sky but but

931
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:41,760
otherwise the the entire skyline was uh

932
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,879
was cloudy totally overcast huh man so

933
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,159
you know it's nothing an airplane just

934
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,079
doesn't react like that it slices

935
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:50,240
through and it doesn't disturb the

936
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,109
so yeah i thought that was pretty

937
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,119
interesting i mean we get kind of the

938
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,480
raw conversation about this and you know

939
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,720
talking about how it crashed the chicago

940
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:08,560
tribune website when the story first

941
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,200
came out

942
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,320
right and um and they said as well

943
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,079
like you mentioned there were

944
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:15,440
photographs taken

945
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,880
there might have been video so ah

946
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,720
man if we could just get our hands on

947
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,040
that stuff um and i guess i kind of

948
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:26,240
want to wrap up the o'hare thing with

949
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,880
that

950
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,280
steven do you think it's out there do

951
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,880
you think we'll ever see a photo

952
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,040
we'll ever see video um where do you

953
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:36,000
stand on that part of all this

954
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,560
um i well i believe it exists

955
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,960
or at least exists dead i mean you've

956
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,839
got

957
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,400
in written with witness testimony you've

958
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,920
got the audio

959
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,240
of radio communications from that day of

960
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,079
folks acknowledging

961
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,960
more than once that at least one photo

962
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,480
was taken that day

963
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,560
now you have to understand this is 2006

964
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,560
and if you take this is pre-iphone

965
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,880
this is pre-smartphone days and those

966
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,560
those little flip phones didn't take the

967
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:05,520
greatest pictures

968
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,720
um and you know

969
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,560
unless someone had like a digital camera

970
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,560
like hanging around their

971
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:15,440
their neck it's probably not the

972
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,480
greatest photo

973
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,480
especially if you know the craft was

974
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,079
estimated to be

975
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:23,440
um 1900 2000 feet up

976
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,320
it's probably not the greatest photo

977
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,320
especially if you know the craft was

978
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:29,920
estimated to be

979
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,440
um 1900 2000 feet up

980
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,440
about the size of a quarter held at

981
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,880
arm's length and so

982
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,960
you know taking a cell phone photo who

983
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,160
knows how

984
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,079
how clear that's gonna be or how you

985
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:43,920
know i i think

986
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,720
uh this case and how infamous it is it's

987
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,240
led to some fakes

988
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,119
um people creating fake photos of this i

989
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,880
think if and when the final photo

990
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:54,480
actually comes out it's not gonna be

991
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,119
this like

992
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:58,800
oh like amazing photo i think it's gonna

993
00:37:02,950 --> 00:36:59,280
be like

994
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:02,960
you know crappy 2006 cell phone uh

995
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,520
photo or even a video um i'd be amazed

996
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,200
like honestly that would be like the

997
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:10,800
coolest thing if like

998
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,160
that photo ever came to be even if it is

999
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:16,400
blurry and and crazy if it was like

1000
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,440
legit like

1001
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,839
it was legitimized as a real photo from

1002
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,119
o'hare

1003
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,839
wow and it's not a hole punch cloud wow

1004
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,359
that would be awesome

1005
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,440
i'm with you man i mean again we deal

1006
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,280
with blurry photos in this field on a

1007
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,480
daily basis

1008
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,720
so what's one more to add on to the pile

1009
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:33,680
but hey

1010
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,440
i think this case uh is so underrated um

1011
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,160
it's it was so well investigated from

1012
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,520
very tenacious

1013
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,000
researchers from the very start and i

1014
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:45,680
mean what you guys did

1015
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,720
um over at it's redacted and uh

1016
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,119
basement office new york post uh it's

1017
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,520
adding to the tapestry of this case

1018
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,240
that hopefully we will find out someday

1019
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:58,160
what actually occurred but um

1020
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,680
yeah is there anything else you want to

1021
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,200
add in terms of the uh

1022
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,280
the o'hare incident before we move on to

1023
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,599
some closing questions here

1024
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,640
yeah just one quick anecdote um

1025
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,400
a personal anecdote that ties into

1026
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,079
chicago which is

1027
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,640
um the way every when you listen to the

1028
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:17,040
audio the way everyone

1029
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:20,800
reacts to the ufo is either dismissive

1030
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,079
joking um confusing

1031
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:27,760
confusion and then joking um

1032
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,280
and almost like uh come on i don't want

1033
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,640
to deal with this

1034
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,040
and i have a relative who's in the

1035
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,400
military

1036
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:39,599
and who was flying

1037
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,280
near the east coast down um in the navy

1038
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:46,560
flying near the east coast this is

1039
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:50,400
a while ago and they he and his crew saw

1040
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:53,920
a uap at night and

1041
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,359
um my relative who's the pilot

1042
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:59,520
pointed it out to the crew and they saw

1043
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,400
this

1044
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:03,839
um thing moving around

1045
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,880
erratically um you know off in the

1046
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,760
distance

1047
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:10,480
and the first thing that was spoken in

1048
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:11,119
that

1049
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,280
spoken was i really wish i hadn't seen

1050
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:16,880
that

1051
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,839
and they were serious because of the

1052
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:20,800
stigma

1053
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,079
the ridicule the embarrassment it wasn't

1054
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,640
oh my god let's what is this let's find

1055
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,599
out it was i

1056
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,359
really wish i hadn't seen that it was

1057
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:31,680
just this like it's this weird stigma

1058
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,240
and so

1059
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:34,560
it reminded me of chicago o'hare of

1060
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,680
everyone reacting

1061
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,320
the exact same way and you know i'm

1062
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:40,079
hoping with all of the

1063
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,680
the recent news i mean it's it's

1064
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:43,440
trending on twitter you know at least

1065
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,960
once or twice a month now

1066
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,119
i'm hoping that kind of like it breaks

1067
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,440
that wall down a little bit

1068
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:51,599
i i hope you're right man because i mean

1069
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,640
that that even traces back to i remember

1070
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:57,359
recently jacques commented he went to

1071
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,320
norad

1072
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:00,160
to discuss you know all the work that

1073
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,520
they do and

1074
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,079
he asked them you know okay so you're

1075
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,760
tracking things here that could be a

1076
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,960
potential threat

1077
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:09,359
things in our skies and everything uh do

1078
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,319
you ever

1079
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,720
come across unknowns things that you

1080
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:14,240
can't explain and they're like of course

1081
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,040
we do

1082
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,160
thousands and thousands of them and

1083
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:21,119
valet is just like oh my god so do you

1084
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,640
have reports on these like

1085
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,000
what do you do in that case and they're

1086
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:27,040
like if we can't identify it or it's not

1087
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:27,839
a threat

1088
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:30,560
uh immediately uh we don't do anything

1089
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,280
we don't

1090
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,480
report it we we do nothing with it and

1091
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,440
ah my heart just dropped when he when he

1092
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,800
recalled that because i'm like are you

1093
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,839
kidding me

1094
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,520
thousands and thousands of things you

1095
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,440
can't explain are just

1096
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,839
thrown out and we've heard this time and

1097
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,480
time again

1098
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:49,359
so can you imagine if every uh pilot

1099
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:50,079
every

1100
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,079
stewardess or or cabin worker in a plane

1101
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,160
reported what they saw it would be

1102
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,079
amazing i i just

1103
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,400
it astounds me it really does it

1104
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,319
astounds me too and i think it just goes

1105
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,960
back to the ignore what you can't

1106
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:09,920
control

1107
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:13,040
it

1108
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,630
yeah well ignore is a good way to

1109
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,319
transition here man i got to get your

1110
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:27,599
opinion on this

1111
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,119
um the leaked uap

1112
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,720
reports from the supposed uap task force

1113
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,640
uh that came forward in the debrief and

1114
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,040
several other uh companies lately

1115
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,640
what do you make of all this man i mean

1116
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:42,640
we heard some dramatic stuff

1117
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:46,160
triangles emerging from water and photos

1118
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,800
uh

1119
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,079
what do you what do you make of this

1120
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,680
entire ordeal going on with these

1121
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,000
reports that we saw

1122
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,000
well yeah i mean obviously that was like

1123
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:56,000
the main thing that jumped out to me

1124
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,640
was um the the fact that it literally

1125
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:01,599
says

1126
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,560
you know uap might be coming from the

1127
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,319
world's oceans

1128
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:09,599
and i don't even think it said some

1129
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,960
i think the exact quote was uap

1130
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,280
might be coming or originating from the

1131
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,240
world's oceans

1132
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,079
and like because of you know i'd done

1133
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,240
the episode on on usos

1134
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:25,040
like that was the thing that stuck out

1135
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,400
most to me now

1136
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:29,520
you know when i when i researched my uso

1137
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,079
episode

1138
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,359
you know you you can find um

1139
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,680
you know plans that the navy had for a

1140
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,359
trans-medium

1141
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,560
uh craft back in like the 40s

1142
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,319
you see these drawings of this plane

1143
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,720
that's half playing half submarine

1144
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,480
and you know in the drawing it's it's

1145
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,040
coming out of the ocean going back in

1146
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:52,079
uh so like you know we know the military

1147
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:52,720
has

1148
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:55,839
pursuing this in

1149
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,520
in a way um already has probably

1150
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,520
has it and so you've got to like enter

1151
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,599
that into the equation that

1152
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:06,240
you know is this uh some kind of of

1153
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,280
black project

1154
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,400
that hasn't been revealed yet um

1155
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,960
but i don't know like when it comes to

1156
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,800
the uaptf

1157
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,910
i don't see it being any different than

1158
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,599
the frustrations that

1159
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:24,880
lou elizondo ran into with atip

1160
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,640
for example you know like i don't see i

1161
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,520
i just don't see the dod going like ah

1162
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:33,200
lou was right

1163
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,599
better double down on this it's like i

1164
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,200
don't think so i think

1165
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,720
you know similar to a tip they got

1166
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,240
handed a mandate

1167
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,040
and said do this and they're probably

1168
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,359
like oh god okay fine we'll you know

1169
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,119
we'll do this and so

1170
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,400
um i don't know again i've said it

1171
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,599
before i

1172
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,720
every company brand corporation

1173
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,760
needs a public facing side the side that

1174
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,400
interacts

1175
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,040
one-on-one with the public you know

1176
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,400
different from the business side the

1177
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,839
public-facing side

1178
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,319
and it's all about you know interacting

1179
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,680
with the public and making them feel

1180
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:11,359
like they're part of the conversation

1181
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:11,839
and

1182
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,960
i almost feel like uaptf is is like the

1183
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,240
public facing side

1184
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:19,359
of like the real ufo program yeah you

1185
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,760
know

1186
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,760
it it's like we interact with you and we

1187
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:23,839
give you little nip you know tidbits and

1188
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:27,040
we keep you happy and and and complacent

1189
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:27,760
and stuff

1190
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,040
you know there's no way the ua ptf is

1191
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,319
the one and only ufo program

1192
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:37,359
it's definitely it a program

1193
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,720
or maybe part of the program or the pr

1194
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,760
side of the program but i don't

1195
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:46,319
i just don't think i don't think it goes

1196
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,960
that deep

1197
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,240
uaptf yep i i

1198
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:51,760
again i think you're right i think it's

1199
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,960
just another concerted effort to control

1200
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,359
the information that does get out but

1201
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,480
like you said

1202
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,920
you know there are people fighting that

1203
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,000
fight elizondo included saying

1204
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,760
pentagon we're watching you guys like

1205
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,760
don't let us down or else we're gonna

1206
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,200
knock down walls and

1207
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:09,359
find this stuff out for ourselves so

1208
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,240
yeah yeah

1209
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:13,040
there are those i mean it's crazy like

1210
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,000
there are those

1211
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,079
like you said you know like lou whether

1212
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,160
they're buried on the inside

1213
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,359
who are frustrated like luke

1214
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,839
was in his resignation letter of like

1215
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:25,359
why is no one paying

1216
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,520
more attention to this it's right there

1217
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,200
it's right here let's study this

1218
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:36,079
you know and uh but we're getting quotes

1219
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:36,720
we're getting

1220
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,920
actual quotes like might quote might not

1221
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,040
be human

1222
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:43,200
uh in the new york times article that

1223
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,160
dropped this

1224
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,200
year you know you've got quote off-world

1225
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,760
vehicles not of this earth

1226
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:51,760
these quotes aren't originating from

1227
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,400
like a dungeons and dragons role-playing

1228
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:57,119
game in some basement it's coming from

1229
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,440
like

1230
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,760
the pentagon and it's coming from

1231
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:01,599
pentagon contractors and it's coming

1232
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,240
from

1233
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,800
briefings with classified briefings with

1234
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,160
congressmen

1235
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,720
i mean this is that's some of the

1236
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,240
craziest stuff ever

1237
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,560
what does that mean what does that mean

1238
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,480
and it is progress you know there's a

1239
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,400
lot of people out out there that argue

1240
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,680
what have we learned what have we

1241
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,079
learned from to the stars academy

1242
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,160
or um you know these articles that have

1243
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,000
come out have we truly learned

1244
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,440
anything and i think we've learned that

1245
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,760
the government and military are willing

1246
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,359
to now say

1247
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:34,079
it's unidentified it might not be from

1248
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,720
here

1249
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,200
it's not russia it's not china and

1250
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,560
that's more than we've gotten in the

1251
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,760
past 70

1252
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,480
plus years of a supposed cover-up so i

1253
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:44,160
think that's progress in my personal

1254
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,280
opinion

1255
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,960
yeah a hundred percent i mean

1256
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,200
i mean the way the x5 if you look at the

1257
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,720
tv show the x-files of like

1258
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,800
cigarette smoking man who knows

1259
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,079
everything and he's like

1260
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,400
in the basement and like hoarding his

1261
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:00,560
alien fetuses you know

1262
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:03,680
and it's like and it's like uh

1263
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,880
um nowadays it's like csm like cigarette

1264
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,839
smoking man's like releasing press

1265
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:10,079
releases

1266
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,920
right oh man that is such a good point

1267
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,079
absolutely under his pen name

1268
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,760
nonetheless but um

1269
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,480
yeah well all right my man so i have to

1270
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,599
ask you this

1271
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,119
because a lot of my listeners and

1272
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:25,440
viewers wanted to get your opinion on

1273
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,160
this

1274
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,480
it's something very controversial in the

1275
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:29,839
ufo community

1276
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,720
um say what you will about that uh but

1277
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:34,400
they want to know your thoughts

1278
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,760
admiral wilson documents i'm not gonna

1279
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,240
go into it here what they are just

1280
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:42,400
google it everyone go check it out but

1281
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,960
um

1282
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,400
i know you did cover this on the

1283
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:46,240
basement office at one point and teased

1284
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,440
it a little bit so

1285
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:49,280
what do you make of this the admiral

1286
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,559
wilson documents

1287
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:53,680
and do you think that this thing is real

1288
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,200
is it genuine and uh are we gonna hear

1289
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,720
any more about it with the work that

1290
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,200
you're doing personally

1291
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,839
yeah so you know the wilson documents

1292
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,240
that was

1293
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,520
december or april oh anyway it was in

1294
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:10,640
2019

1295
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:13,839
that the leak supposedly happened and

1296
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,240
yeah

1297
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,359
like it printed them out nick and i

1298
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,920
talked about it you know in more general

1299
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,079
terms talking about what a usap is what

1300
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,480
a sap is what's the difference

1301
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,599
um but journal

1302
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,359
let me just start before i get into like

1303
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,800
my personal feelings about it like

1304
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:32,160
journalistically

1305
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,079
the story isn't there yet it's just

1306
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:39,520
it's missing like something it's missing

1307
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,079
something

1308
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:43,520
i it's not ready to be you know i can

1309
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,400
discuss it

1310
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,559
i can give my opinion on it but as in

1311
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,160
like journalistically

1312
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,480
releasing something it needs something i

1313
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,640
mean beyond just a story

1314
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,680
he said he said she said story

1315
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,599
beyond just that kind of surface story

1316
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,839
it's it's it's missing something

1317
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,599
credible you know i'll give you an

1318
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:02,880
example um

1319
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:06,559
when i did my uh uap

1320
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,680
pentagon back in may 2019

1321
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,040
when the pentagon released a statement

1322
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,119
to me that yes atip research

1323
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,839
investigated an identified aerial

1324
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,040
phenomenon

1325
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,640
we spent i spent days making sure

1326
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,200
that that was i said in my story this is

1327
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,040
the first time the pentagon has ever

1328
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,480
said spoken these words ufo uap

1329
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,240
they've officially never spoken these

1330
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,720
words i had i went back and i

1331
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,119
dug dug through everything pentagon

1332
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,040
statements previous spokes

1333
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,200
everything going back forever to make

1334
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,720
sure that that was actually

1335
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:43,040
accurate that i could say that that's

1336
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,079
how much work i mean

1337
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:45,520
you do that as a journalist you want to

1338
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,240
make sure that everything you're saying

1339
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,880
fits and it it's accurate and so with

1340
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:53,280
the wilson story oh my god dude what a

1341
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,079
nightmare

1342
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,079
journalistically i mean what a

1343
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,240
nightmare that would that is i mean

1344
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:01,839
she's like come on

1345
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,040
um you know and so you stop at well i

1346
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,880
can release a story that says

1347
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,079
eric davis says this admiral wilson says

1348
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,119
this you know grant cameron says this

1349
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:16,079
the end you know i but that's not me

1350
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,280
reporting

1351
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,960
that's not me telling the audience being

1352
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,720
able to provide the audience

1353
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,520
here's why this is true or here's why

1354
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:24,400
this probably

1355
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,000
isn't true um i can't

1356
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,720
fully get my arms around the whole story

1357
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,280
uh

1358
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,240
yeah as it exists now and i mean look

1359
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,559
look at the story and how it spreads

1360
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,839
on twitter and online it's um it's a

1361
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:42,720
fascinating story and it's fun

1362
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,920
i mean let's admit it uh to to to go

1363
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,280
there with your mind

1364
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,599
and to picture that car you know and

1365
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,960
them sitting in the car

1366
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,240
and and and like the incognito

1367
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,240
aspect of it and what was discussed

1368
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:57,839
alien bodies and

1369
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:00,880
and you know x y and z like that's

1370
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,319
fun but you know let's not

1371
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,400
get ahead of ourselves let's not run

1372
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,760
with that let's not

1373
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,599
get it you know get out of control

1374
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:11,440
personally

1375
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:18,640
is if

1376
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,200
it was true that the government

1377
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:25,520
is in possession has been in possession

1378
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:26,280
of

1379
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,230
what is outlined in the wilson docks is

1380
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:36,240
how i personally feel how it would be

1381
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,880
done

1382
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:39,920
from

1383
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,240
people who are elected and

1384
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:46,720
in every two four years get it out of

1385
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:47,359
there

1386
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,640
put it somewhere else permanent um

1387
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,559
where it can be studied properly you

1388
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,319
know unacknowledged and

1389
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,400
and those things rang true to me

1390
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:58,400
personally like in my head i was like

1391
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,040
okay yeah if this was actually true then

1392
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:02,960
maybe this is probably how you would

1393
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:06,720
you would do it um so that's like that's

1394
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,680
how i feel about it personally yeah yeah

1395
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,800
i i think i'm

1396
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,119
i'm on board with you on that the uh the

1397
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,880
more i know about it the less i know

1398
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,599
about it

1399
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:18,160
absolutely so um yeah it's fun it's

1400
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,800
exciting

1401
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,480
we'll see where it leads i know there's

1402
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:22,079
a lot of people out there who are very

1403
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,720
adamant

1404
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,839
that this is real this happened and hey

1405
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,760
the meeting probably happened i can

1406
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,520
admit that it probably

1407
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,559
things were said now what was said and

1408
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:33,839
if that is true is a

1409
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,359
whole whole other story yeah the only

1410
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,359
the only thing that can be confirmed

1411
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:40,720
meaning

1412
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,760
that i'm comfortable about is the

1413
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,040
meeting with

1414
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:48,480
you know edgar mitchell um the

1415
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,760
meeting wilson uh and davis and edgar

1416
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,880
mitchell the former

1417
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,599
you know astronaut like all parties

1418
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,880
agree that that meeting

1419
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:59,119
occurred like everyone is on board

1420
00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:00,079
wilson himself so

1421
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,599
you know he acknowledges that that

1422
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,920
meeting happened now the scope of that

1423
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,559
meeting

1424
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,079
you know maybe has been embellished a

1425
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,599
bit you know

1426
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,559
and i also got to say we have to be

1427
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:11,599
careful man like

1428
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,640
there's a lot of embellishment and

1429
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,040
in just in ufo reporting in general and

1430
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:19,599
like hell i'm guilty of it sometimes

1431
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,599
we all you know just just be just um

1432
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:25,520
the way we talk about it the way we

1433
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,960
present a story

1434
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,480
not that the story is embellished but

1435
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,319
the way the excitement

1436
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,400
you know sometimes it's like i've said

1437
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:34,319
previously it's fun and what the wilson

1438
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:34,960
thing

1439
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:38,880
is i i think there's some

1440
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,079
embellishment going on um

1441
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,559
with it there's just i just and the

1442
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:45,599
thing that bugs me

1443
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,680
is if it's true man like

1444
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,599
what is that information doing like

1445
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,280
floating around

1446
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,319
like some dude's some dude's computer

1447
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,640
like in canada like and what's it doing

1448
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,040
like what's it doing on injure

1449
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,079
you know.com chillin yeah

1450
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,119
it's like uh if if that's like the

1451
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:08,559
biggest ultimate secret

1452
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:12,240
on planet earth it's just like um

1453
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:16,480
it doesn't smell like a snowden reveal

1454
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,079
or a a julian assange reveal you know

1455
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,800
the the flip to that is you know they

1456
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,480
went after cenote and they went after

1457
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:26,880
assange and it validated

1458
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,000
what they released and so you know maybe

1459
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,680
maybe if you go after the folks who

1460
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:33,520
leaked these documents

1461
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,870
that's such a good point you know i've

1462
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,559
been looking a lot and i've looked in

1463
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,160
the past at these uh

1464
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,720
ufo hacker whistleblowers whether it's

1465
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,240
gary mckinnon uh

1466
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,640
this other dude matthew bevin who did it

1467
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,359
like

1468
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,640
i think 10 years prior 15 years prior to

1469
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,680
mckinnon hacked into like nasa and nsa

1470
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,880
and all this stuff

1471
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,480
to find ufo information and lo and

1472
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:01,119
behold both of them found stuff but when

1473
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,240
they were caught

1474
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,200
arrested and uh mckinnon at least was

1475
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:07,200
going to be extradited to the united

1476
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,160
states to

1477
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:10,240
face prison time on these things uh

1478
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:11,359
bevin was going to have to pay a

1479
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:12,799
ridiculous amount of money

1480
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,319
for the damage he caused in security uh

1481
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,559
the courts couldn't do anything because

1482
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,720
the government wasn't willing to share

1483
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,160
anything that they found like nothing

1484
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,920
and that's understandable it could be

1485
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,599
national security purposes

1486
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,760
but then what do you do you can't charge

1487
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,880
them with anything if

1488
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,799
uh they're saying no comment well what

1489
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,400
did he find no comment

1490
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:37,359
then what did he do wrong no comment you

1491
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,760
know

1492
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,400
it's it's tough it's tough so yeah it's

1493
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:42,240
always a catch-22

1494
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,160
yeah yeah um well all right my man well

1495
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:49,200
looking backward and looking forward

1496
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,640
2020 was a hell of a year for

1497
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,960
all of humanity but here in the ufo

1498
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,000
world

1499
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,400
a lot happened so i gotta ask you what

1500
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,400
is your favorite thing

1501
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,799
in 2020 that happened with this topic

1502
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:05,760
anything really stick out to you

1503
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,109
i mean it at the beginning of 2020 there

1504
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,880
were two things that

1505
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,000
i i'm rather new to this

1506
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:21,040
you know when i say that ufos uh

1507
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,400
you know i've had a i've had a long

1508
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:24,160
career where ufos were not part of my

1509
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:25,359
daily life

1510
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:28,720
right and as someone relatively new to

1511
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,520
this

1512
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,799
uh the i believe was february uh tim

1513
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:34,880
mcmillan's lou elizondo

1514
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,870
wow that was like awesome that really

1515
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:45,760
that hit me really deeply because lou

1516
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:46,400
was

1517
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:53,760
not 100 sure about lou

1518
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,799
myself personally and

1519
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,720
um you know i was leaning towards he's

1520
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,000
legit because

1521
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:03,280
but yeah so tim's popular mechanics

1522
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,000
article

1523
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,200
in february 2020 that was when

1524
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:09,040
things started really getting real for

1525
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,319
me um

1526
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:13,040
as regards to atip awesome and

1527
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,079
everything going on

1528
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,160
behind the scenes there so i think that

1529
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,839
was a really big awesome article and

1530
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:18,799
then

1531
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:22,559
soon after that when the the pentagon

1532
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,520
released officially released the three

1533
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,960
videos

1534
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,359
everybody and their brother and sister

1535
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,480
had already seen

1536
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,599
since 2017 the fact that

1537
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,920
the government is coming out and going

1538
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,079
all right you got you got us like yeah

1539
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:40,799
these are ours and yeah they're official

1540
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:44,920
and in that release these are still

1541
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,839
unidentified like the fact that the

1542
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:49,680
pentagon is releasing this stuff

1543
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,370
and saying that is i was like wow

1544
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:53,520
[Music]

1545
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,799
yeah give me chills yeah yeah

1546
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,559
we've come a long way man you know i

1547
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,640
mean there's cynical ufo researchers out

1548
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,240
there have been doing this for

1549
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:04,480
50 plus years and i don't blame them

1550
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,520
we're let down

1551
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:07,920
constantly in this field and with this

1552
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:08,720
topic

1553
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:11,440
but um i think we're living in exciting

1554
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,319
times i

1555
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,720
really do think we're on the precipice

1556
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,920
of something big

1557
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,480
and it's taking citizen journalists it's

1558
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:20,559
taking independent ufo researchers it's

1559
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,200
taking

1560
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:23,760
even the mainstream media uh to put the

1561
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:24,480
pressure

1562
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,680
on the government to tell us and

1563
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,359
it's not something i ever thought i

1564
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,599
would see in my lifetime and i'm not

1565
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,440
talking a grand disclosure

1566
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:35,359
we're gonna get all the answers i don't

1567
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,040
believe in that whatsoever

1568
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:40,559
but it's a process it really is and

1569
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:43,359
elizondo chris mellon um all these

1570
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,079
people

1571
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:46,559
uh john greenwald uh who have been

1572
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,680
putting pressure

1573
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,920
on the government for so long to get

1574
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,799
information

1575
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,440
understand it's a process and that they

1576
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,200
do have to apply pressure

1577
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,160
so i'm very thankful for everyone in the

1578
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,520
ufo field out there

1579
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,319
doing it um everything from ufo twitter

1580
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,480
the activism you've seen on there from a

1581
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:05,520
lot of people

1582
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:08,559
they are a hungry hungry passionate

1583
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,359
group

1584
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,160
no matter what you believe or if you

1585
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:14,160
agree or disagree with the way certain

1586
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,280
people do things

1587
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,640
hey man we're all in this together

1588
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,799
trying to find answers so i think it's

1589
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,240
awesome i think it's a

1590
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,559
cohesion that we have not seen in a

1591
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,480
while and it's a transparency by the

1592
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:26,240
government to the public

1593
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,440
that we haven't seen ever so i'm looking

1594
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:31,440
forward to whatever's to come in 2021

1595
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,960
so what do you think what are your hopes

1596
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,440
for 2021 what do you want

1597
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:38,319
stephen great street in the ufo field in

1598
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:38,799
the uh

1599
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,240
the coming new year well i think it's

1600
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,599
it's time for some real talk

1601
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,839
you know you can only get away the

1602
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,680
pentagon can only get away with this is

1603
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:51,599
unidentified we don't know

1604
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,799
for so long you know there exists you

1605
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:57,119
know as nick pope says there exists a

1606
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:57,839
best

1607
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:01,040
current assessment it exists

1608
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,440
a best current assessment a guesstimate

1609
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:05,440
whatever educated guess as to what it is

1610
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,240
that exists so we gotta what i'm looking

1611
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:10,480
for in 2021 are more specifics

1612
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,079
beyond unidentified i'd like to uh

1613
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:16,480
begin getting into officially on the

1614
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,280
record

1615
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,440
from the government a best current

1616
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,799
assessment

1617
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,119
and you know i don't want

1618
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,720
generalizations like we need to start

1619
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:27,680
getting into the the observables the

1620
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:28,319
science

1621
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,000
you know things like that and and more

1622
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,760
people than just like eric davis for

1623
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:33,440
example need to be out there in new york

1624
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,480
times articles

1625
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,000
so i'm looking forward to that like the

1626
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,319
new voices people we've never heard of

1627
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,880
yet those people like coming out and

1628
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,720
going on the record

1629
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,720
absolutely and dude i mean i was

1630
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,160
considered uh

1631
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,240
one of the young guns or whatever of

1632
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,319
ufology for a really long time

1633
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,319
and now i'm not one of them and that

1634
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,680
actually really excites me i'm not

1635
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,359
looking forward to losing my hair

1636
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,520
and you know getting the dad bod and

1637
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:58,799
everything but

1638
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,359
um i think it's incredible that i can

1639
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,520
now talk to people on twitter and

1640
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,839
facebook whatever um about this topic

1641
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,200
and they're researching it

1642
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:09,440
and they're 10 years younger than me

1643
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,720
that's awesome

1644
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:13,440
and like you said new people i mean

1645
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,559
let's look at

1646
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:17,040
the scientific groups out there

1647
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,240
organizations

1648
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:20,240
that are around the scientific coalition

1649
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:21,599
of uap studies

1650
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:24,960
uh ufo data ufo dap

1651
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,960
skyhub these incredible scientists and

1652
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,160
engineers

1653
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,720
are creating things to monitor ufo

1654
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,640
activity like never before

1655
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:37,280
so there you go man that's showing the

1656
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:38,000
government

1657
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,440
or or nasa even like fine if you're not

1658
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,480
going to do the work

1659
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,960
we're going to do it for you so i think

1660
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,400
that's exciting and i look forward to

1661
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,000
what all those groups are doing

1662
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,040
in the next or so yeah

1663
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,960
yep well that's all i got for you

1664
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,880
brother i'm so happy we got to cover

1665
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,640
this event i've never covered

1666
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:58,880
chicago o'hare on the show before so we

1667
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,799
kind of only scratched the surface

1668
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,720
but um like i said thank you for the

1669
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:04,240
work that you did

1670
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:07,359
and um it's rejected on this it's it's

1671
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:10,960
awesome um again any evidence

1672
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,520
and testimony and context we can have

1673
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:15,359
for these events only adds

1674
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,160
to uh this process of disclosure that

1675
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,000
hopefully we're living in um

1676
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,880
so last question for you what comes next

1677
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:24,799
the ball is in the air what comes next

1678
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:25,520
for you

1679
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:28,960
in your work in this field my man

1680
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:32,480
ah not too sure actually

1681
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,680
that is the perfect answer uh

1682
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,680
there's some things there's some things

1683
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:38,799
there on you know

1684
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,520
being worked on uh there's nothing

1685
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,160
serious i'm always kind of like looking

1686
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,559
uh for the next thing i mean basement is

1687
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,240
always there and i'm hoping you know in

1688
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,039
2021 with like the vaccine and like

1689
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:53,200
you know you know hopefully we can get

1690
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,559
out of the weeds soon because i'd really

1691
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:55,839
like to do that show right

1692
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,240
you know again uh but yeah i got a

1693
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:00,079
couple things but nothing i'm

1694
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,799
ready to announce yet that's totally

1695
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:04,799
fair brother well in the meantime

1696
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:07,760
uh i know that uh we have not heard or

1697
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,480
seen

1698
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,839
the last of what's to come with the

1699
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,520
chicago o'hare incident

1700
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,160
uh you and i are gonna dig in a little

1701
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,079
deeper into some leads that we've

1702
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:18,640
come across so i look forward to what

1703
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,200
comes

1704
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:21,359
with that so you and i have to get to

1705
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,400
work so

1706
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,559
i'm gonna cut it here let's go do our

1707
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:26,720
thing and i will see you in the new year

1708
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:27,119
brother

1709
01:03:56,829 --> 01:03:30,420
thank you all right man later

1710
01:04:14,309 --> 01:03:58,260
so